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cursor's direction

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:45 pm
by oded
When I click "Ins" to create a new note the cursor's direction is "right to left" which is fine for me because my native language is Hebrew.
However, after typing some words I click "Enter" in order to move to the next line.
Unfortunately the cursor's direction is now changed to "left to right" and I have to manually change it back to "right to left."
Needless to say this (changing the cursor's direction on every new line) is very annoying.
Can this problem be solved?

Thanks,
Oded.

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:18 am
by CintaNotes Developer
Hi oded,

sorry to disappoint you but at this moment CintaNotes doesn't officially support right-to-left languages.
I doubt that your problem can be solved without significant changes to the code, but I'll see what I can do.

There also exists a ticket on the roadmap you can vote for:
http://roadmap.cintanotes.com/feedback/3378-search/

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:35 am
by oded
After all it's not just Hebrew... Also all the Arabic users need this feature too...
Actually to solve (for the time being) this problem all that is needed is simply not to force a left to right direction of the cursor for every new line but to keep it's direction as it was.
Just to make myself clear: I don't mind if the cursor is on the left side of the note and if the text is left justified. All I need is the cursor's direction be right to left.
I have some applications which do not support right to left languages but keep the cursor's direction after I set it.
Anyway thank you Alex for your answer.
Much appreciated.

Oded.

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:36 am
by CintaNotes Developer
Well the problem is, I can't see where I'm forcing the cursor to the left side.
It is a standard RichEdit control and I wonder why it is different from all the other apps you are speaking about..

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:44 am
by oded
Can this feature at least be added to the commercial version?

Oded

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:36 am
by CintaNotes Developer
Sure it can, but the commercial features also have different priority based on votes, and right now the votes don't show that there is a great demand for it, even when not taking downvotes into account.
And without demand it's not feasible to make a feature commercial in the first place..vicious circle;)

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:51 pm
by oded
CintaNotes Developer wrote:Sure it can, but the commercial features also have different priority based on votes, and right now the votes don't show that there is a great demand for it, even when not taking downvotes into account.
And without demand it's not feasible to make a feature commercial in the first place..vicious circle;)

Well, as most of the world write from left to right - obviously there will never be a great demand for a "right to left" feature :(
Does it mean that there is no hope for the "right to left" users to ever see this feature implemented?

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:11 am
by CintaNotes Developer
oded wrote:Well, as most of the world write from left to right - obviously there will never be a great demand for a "right to left" feature :(
Does it mean that there is no hope for the "right to left" users to ever see this feature implemented?


I've said that I'm not counting downvotes for such features - this is already a huge advantage.
But I have to take the votes seriously otherwise why have them in the first place?

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:37 am
by oded
CintaNotes Developer wrote:
oded wrote:Well, as most of the world write from left to right - obviously there will never be a great demand for a "right to left" feature :(
Does it mean that there is no hope for the "right to left" users to ever see this feature implemented?


I've said that I'm not counting downvotes for such features - this is already a huge advantage.
But I have to take the votes seriously otherwise why have them in the first place?

OK Alex, I understand.
Thank you very much for your answers.
Much appreciated :)

Oded.

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:52 am
by oded
Well, I guess I've kind of solved the problem :D
I've created a small macro which runs only when a note window is opened.
Every time Enter is pressed the macro simulates Alt+Shift keys pressed and the cursor changes direction to right to left and is placed in a new line! Works flawlessly! :D
Thanks again Alex for your help.

Oded.

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:06 am
by CintaNotes Developer
oded, I didn't really help much, did I ))
I'm really glad that you managed to solve the problem!
It would be great if you could upload your macros here so that other RTL language users could take advantage of it.
Thanks!

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:52 am
by oded
CintaNotes Developer wrote:oded, I didn't really help much, did I ))
I'm really glad that you managed to solve the problem!
It would be great if you could upload your macros here so that other RTL language users could take advantage of it.
Thanks!

Alex, you definitely helped!
Knowing that everything a user says or needs gets the full author's attention and good will does help very much :) (even if the problem is not solved immediately...)
I knew I had to solve the problem (or stop using CN) because changing the cursor's direction manually after every ENTER was out of the question (so was stop using CN :))
So I found a very easy solution :)
I've created the macro which solved the problem using an excellent macro utility called Macro Express (http://www.macros.com) so it can be used only by Macro Express users.
If there are RTL language CN users who use Macro Express I'll be more than glad to help although with this tool creating the macro is a piece of cake (the macro contains 1 line only!...)
That said, there is still the problem of the text which is left justified (and we, rtl language users need it to be right justified.)
I know this has low priority (if any at all...) but I'm patient and hope for the best :)

Thanks,

Oded.

Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 10:22 pm
by yonin
Hello Alex,

It's unfortunate that the bug hasn't been solved yet (v2.2, win7 x64) . I hope this Spy++ trace would help you fix it.
The scenario:
1. Create a new note
2. The Text box is focused and the language is English, type 'eee'
3. Press Enter (the language remains English, as expected)
4. Press Alt+Shift to change language
5. Press 'ששש' (the Hebrew letter Shin, which is on the A key).
6. Press Enter
7. Observe that the language switched back to English

I've highlighted the places in the trace where the special keys are pressed, and where the language changes.
I believe the VK_CONTROL KEYUP message that comes out of nowhere has something to do with the bug (it appears consistently when the language switches after Enter).

What's weird about this bug is that sometimes it would work the other way -- pressing Enter would always switch
from English to Hebrew.



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Re: cursor's direction

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:56 am
by CintaNotes Developer
Hi yonin,

thanks a lot for providing the log and additional details that will definitely help in resolving the issue.

Unfortunately this issue on the roadmap has collected only 13 upvotes for 3 years.. so this makes me wonder
if investing much time into this would be really wise. What do you think, why this issue is so unpopular?