Thomas Lohrum wrote:Sorting affects presentation. It is not a filter mechanism. So yes, maybe the state should not be saved at all.
Ok, I wonder if anyone would say anything in favor of keeping sorting as part of the history. Anyone?
Thomas Lohrum wrote:Sorting affects presentation. It is not a filter mechanism. So yes, maybe the state should not be saved at all.
Thomas Lohrum wrote:Thomas Lohrum wrote:Alex, did you catch this one here?
It is easy to reproduce: open a note, edit it, save it using Ctrl+Alt+S and click the Cancel-button. The changes should have been saved, but they are not.
CintaNotes Developer wrote:Thomas Lohrum wrote:Thomas Lohrum wrote:Alex, did you catch this one here?
It is easy to reproduce: open a note, edit it, save it using Ctrl+Alt+S and click the Cancel-button. The changes should have been saved, but they are not.
If I recall correctly, it's Ctrl+Shift+S, not Ctrl+Alt+S. The help says the same..
CintaNotes Developer wrote:In 2.8 I'll do only the following changes:
- Display bulky absolute state descriptions instead of deltas in the history menu
CintaNotes Developer wrote:Nice, but mind also that if any extra sections are added to the selection, they should be included here as well. Also when ALL sections are included, this should be shortened to "All sections".Thomas Lohrum wrote:Alternatives:
"blog javascript" in (Projects/Todo/Tomorrow Projects/Todo/NextWeek -Archive/Done)
blog javascript (Projects/Todo/Tomorrow Projects/Todo/NextWeek -Archive/Done)
Thomas Lohrum wrote:Shame on me You are absolutely right. So i am happy, it's actually working ok
Thomas Lohrum wrote:Please filter "reset search" items. Now that we will have absolute descriptions they are entirely meaningless.
Thomas Lohrum wrote:Suggestion:
"blogs javascript" in (Projects/Todo/Tomorrow Projects/Todo/NextWeek -Archive/Done) in [Section1,Section4]
"javascript objects" in (Projects/Todo/Tomorrow Projects/Todo/NextWeek -Archive/Done) in [All sections]
"javascript objects" in (Projects/Todo/Tomorrow Projects/Todo/NextWeek -Archive/Done) in [Section4]
CintaNotes Developer wrote:Good suggestion, thanks. I can think of some improvements here:
1) I think there's no need to display a section when there's only one - since each section has its own filter history, it is only relevant when there are multiple sections selected.
CintaNotes Developer wrote:2) The tag names can be shortened to leaf names (Tomorrow NextWeek -Done), displaying full names only when there are name conflicts (like its currently done in note previews).
3) Probably using single quotes instead of double quotes would be better, since double quotes have special meaning in the search syntax (exact phrase search). This will allow to avoid: ""javascript blog" -java" in
CintaNotes Developer wrote:4) Don't like the double "in". I wonder if there's real need to differentiate between text and tag search at all. Consider: 'blogs javascript' Tomorrow NextWeek -Done [All Sections]
Thomas Lohrum wrote:PS: Am i actually the only person testing 2.8? I wonder no one else is taking part in the discussion this time.
Thomas Lohrum wrote:I agree, but how do we distinguish "All" from one single section?
Thomas Lohrum wrote:Is this an intention to have a speaking syntax for use as a phrase filter? One that could easily be stored?
Thomas Lohrum wrote:The list of notes is basically like a set in mathematics. It is a bit similar to SQL too. In the end i like the natural speaking of it 'search text' in (list of notes with matching tags) most. Single quotes for the search text, parentheses for the tags and square brackets for the sections. The latter is related to the UI styling of the section tabs. To avoid the double 'in' how about:
'blogs javascript' in (Resources) from [Development]
Thomas Lohrum wrote:[Edit 23:57]Your suggestion (Consider: 'blogs javascript' Tomorrow NextWeek -Done [All Sections]) does have the advantage of reducing visual noise. Also it can be used when there is a tag filter, but no text search.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:No, there may be others testing, but the discussion could be way over their heads (personally, I've hardly understood anything you and Alex have been talking about). I often have that same problem when you and Alex get into the nitty gritty of how CintaNotes works, so I just tend to skip right over those discussions - it may be that others are doing the same here.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:No, there may be others testing, but the discussion could be way over their heads (personally, I've hardly understood anything you and Alex have been talking about). I often have that same problem when you and Alex get into the nitty gritty of how CintaNotes works, so I just tend to skip right over those discussions - it may be that others are doing the same here. ChrisThomas Lohrum wrote:PS: Am i actually the only person testing 2.8? I wonder no one else is taking part in the discussion this time.
CintaNotes Developer wrote:Probably that's because Thomas is also a developer and we tend to quickly get to "implementation-skewed" talk. But great that you've reminded us about it. We were talking about the newly added filter history feature (visible via the back and forward arrow icons next to the search box), and it desperately needs more comments from beta testers on what could be improved. (...)
CintaNotes Developer wrote:So far, Thomas has suggested the following, and I agreed: (...) This is basically the picture as it stands now.
CintaNotes Developer wrote:Probably that's because Thomas is also a developer and we tend to quickly get to "implementation-skewed" talk.
1) When you right click on the back or forward button, currently the filter history is displayed as a set of deltas: what is different between two filter states. Basically, it is 'what needs to be done to get from this state to that state'. Thomas has suggested to always display the full state. This tends to hide what has been changed, but makes navigation the states easier. Later we were discussing how best to display these menu items.
2) Now there are two separate history stacks - the "back" menu, which receives new items when you change filters, and the "forward" menu, which receives items when you use the "back" button (or menu) to navigate the history. Thomas suggested to unify the back and forward history menus into one menu which would display the "current" state in bold. The "back" items would be placed below the "current" one, and "forward" items would be placed above the "current" one.
This is basically the picture as it stands now.
CintaNotes Developer wrote:"All" will be displayed as "[All sections]. For single section we don't need to display anything. The first active section is always included, so this is redundant information. What matters here is which sections are included beyond the active one.Thomas Lohrum wrote:I agree, but how do we distinguish "All" from one single section?
Thomas Lohrum wrote:thanks for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate it.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:I agree the full state is more meaningful to a normal user - but I think as you have already been discussing, a full state can be quite long, and fitting those onto a context menu could be quite a challenge (the deltas are less useful to a normal user, but have the advantage of being smaller and easier to fit onto a context menu). And also as you have mentioned, if two full states are very similar to each other, highlighting the differences between them could be tricky to do - but I think it needs to be done if you are going with a full state. I know the suggestion has been made that with a large monitor, the length of the full state won't matter - but I would respectfully suggest that people with 30" monitors are in the minority, not the majority. So a solution should not exclude those on smaller displays, IMHO. The only solution I can think of is some sort of shortening - of the selective kind.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:Just thinking about other programs with a history (eg Firefox), I'd say that a combined history as described is probably the way to go here. I think having two sets of histories, one for each button, would be a little too confusing for some.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:1. The history is not saved when you move between notebooks. Is that intentional?
usbpoweredfridge wrote:If so, I think you can remove the 'clear history' item from the context menu (as it would be redudant).
Thomas Lohrum wrote:I understand this can be handy when you are using different databases a day. Maybe saving history can be added as a request to the roadmap?
usbpoweredfridge wrote:This makes sense even when you use one database only. I can even think of using the "Del" to delete a single item from the history.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:My wording isn't always the best, so I just wanted to make clear that I intended no disrespect to either Alex or yourself In my spare time I help support a particular media playing software (mainly via forums, sometimes via email - as a volunteer though, I am not employed by the company that makes it), and with that experience, I can say that I think a piece of software benefits from having a user such as yourself, who can talk to the developer on more of a direct level (as you do with Alex). And now with Alex having said that you were a developer yourself, I do now understand why the discussions do go into the detail that they do! Admittedly, that may mean that sometimes the discussion is over the heads of us that are not developers (or at least, some of us), but I think in the end, it is a positive benefit for CintaNotes as a whole And having lurked here for quite a while before I joined, I can say that you have made quite an impressive contribution to how CintaNotes has evolved! ChrisThomas Lohrum wrote:thanks for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate it.
usbpoweredfridge wrote:(...) constantly switch between them (databases) (so much so, I wish there was a better way to switch rather than having to visit the File menu every couple of minutes
Thomas Lohrum wrote:usbpoweredfridge wrote:it's already on the roadmap. You can vote for it here http://roadmap.cintanotes.com/topic/113476-tabs-for-notebooks/. Maybe i would use different notebooks (databases) too, if there were such a feature. But for the time being i use only one, because of the easier handling.
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